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Phoenix
I got really bored today so I DLed and tried out the Rush to Berlin MP demo(it was ok, but I don't like those restrictive type cameras) and when I played I noticed his hawt lookin tank that I'd never heard of(don't much care for WW2 tanks). At first I thought it was fake, and just a ripoff of those Russian tanks from MGS3, but apparently it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-28_Super_Heavy_Tank


I want this thing more than the Abrams ph34r.gif
FordMustang
I think that tank was also in the Secret Weapons Exp. Pack for 1942. Wasn't very good though, as the gun didn't move side to side, so you had to face your targets from the front but given the fact it was so slow, you always got killed.
Night
I've been in the T-34 in real life a couple months ago smile.gif Very cool.
senor freebie
This was actually a US tank if I remember right. I don't think it was ever deployed into combat though.
Furiou$ Mental
It was in Secret Weapons.
TheRedRibbon
8 mph? That tank would become a easy target for anything that can fire shells, bombs and rockets.
Krazny
QUOTE (TheRedRibbon @ May 28 2006, 03:46 AM) *
8 mph? That tank would become a easy target for anything that can fire shells, bombs and rockets.


Not really.

You see, the trade off for slow speed was an insane amount of armor. Plus that gun could smoke any tank out there.

There is a T-28 on display at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox.

TheRedRibbon
And there werent powerfull enough conventional bombs to destroy those tanks?

edit: i was talking about bombs dropped out of planes
airgringo
You'd need to be awfully lucky to hit a target the size of a tank with an air-dropped bomb back when this thing was built.
russiansniper
Is the game worth downloading and playing? Is it any good compared to other WWII rts's?
RedAero
Airgringo: Remember the Stuka? Not that hard to hit a tank smile.gif
[PTG]Z.user
Ah the Stuka..I remember building them as a kid and the hawker hurricanes!
airgringo
QUOTE (Aeroboy @ May 28 2006, 12:36 PM) *
Airgringo: Remember the Stuka? Not that hard to hit a tank smile.gif


Even divebombing you'd have to be very, very lucky to get a direct hit on a tank. Bombing just wasn't that precise in those days. Stukas could hit ships, bunkers, buildings, etc, with accuracy that was stunning at the time, but they didn't bomb tanks. They had cannons for that.
Night
Dear god, all that armor with slow speed! It is such a great counterpart to them mysterious tanks of the evil western empires, and them evil democratic americans, don't you agree senor? tongue.gif
FordMustang
QUOTE (Night @ May 28 2006, 11:48 AM) *
Dear god, all that armor with slow speed! It is such a great counterpart to them mysterious tanks of the evil western empires, and them evil democratic americans, don't you agree senor? tongue.gif


It's an american tank tard.gif
Night
lmao, Its a T28, I assumed a ruskie tank par le T et le numeral excuse moi.
Evil.Iguana
Allied airpower did a good job taking out german tigers from the air using unguided weapons. If the tables were reversed the same thing could be done to this vehicle. Even with the incredibly thick armor it would be such a large, slow target that I doubt it would be very effective.
airgringo
Rockets would be this thing's nightmare if they were large enough to cause significant damage.
Avtomat
It's not a tank... It's a GUN CARRIAGE. SelfPropelled Tank destroyer like the Jagd panzers.

And the Officila name was M95. YES YES.
Night
QUOTE (Avtomat @ May 28 2006, 10:01 AM) *
It's not a tank... It's a GUN CARRIAGE. SelfPropelled Tank destroyer like the Jagd panzers.

And the Officila name was M95. YES YES.

Really? I thought only Uganda used such weapons ph34r.gif
airgringo
QUOTE (Avtomat @ May 28 2006, 01:01 PM) *
And the Officila name was M95. YES YES.


T95 and T28 are the same thing, never seen it with an M designation.
.panzerassaultbear
i think IS-3 was by far the craziest tank of WW2 era.
Krazny
QUOTE (airgringo @ May 28 2006, 11:34 AM) *
T95 and T28 are the same thing, never seen it with an M designation.



M designations were only assigned to weapons after the were approved for production and type classified. T basically stood for 'Test', and was used by the Army for prototype/preproduction classifications. This was later replaces with the 'X' prefix in an effort to standardize the type classification nomenclature in use by all the services.
RedAero
RussianBear, ever head of the Maus?
Phoenix
QUOTE (RussianBear @ May 28 2006, 02:49 PM) *
i think IS-3 was by far the craziest tank of WW2 era.

What's so crazy about it? Looks like a pretty standard tank setup to me. 1 main gun, 2 sets of tracks, turret, exposed fuel tanks, etc.

I don't think it's really in the same range of craziness as the T28, or the Germie's "Land Battleship"(yeah I know it was never made but still).
Dark Warrior
if ya like super heavy tanks heres some from russia

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p1.html

heres some info on the German Maus

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/maus/index.html


i know the strangest looking thing i ever seen was this weird looking thing called a " Rolling Mine exploder NK-101"


heres another odd looking tank/HUGE ASSED GUN!!


hers more pics of German Armour from WW2
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p6.html
M8/M320
Can someone tell me what the Royal Tiger is?
Dark Warrior
QUOTE (M8/M320 @ May 28 2006, 07:15 PM) *
Can someone tell me what the Royal Tiger is?

royal tiger is just another name for the Tiger 2 Tank (Panzerkampfwagen VI Sd.Kfz 182)
read more about the Tiger 2/Royal Tiger here

http://www.worldwar2aces.com/
and here
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm
Avtomat
QUOTE (Dark Warrior @ May 28 2006, 11:13 PM) *
if ya like super heavy tanks heres some from russia

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p1.html

heres some info on the German Maus

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/maus/index.html
i know the strangest looking thing i ever seen was this weird looking thing called a " Rolling Mine exploder NK-101"


heres another odd looking tank/HUGE ASSED GUN!!


hers more pics of German Armour from WW2
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p6.html



The second tank... is in fact a self propelled giant mortar. 600mm Karl...wich is german.

Now phoenix the IS3 is special because it was the first tank that on the sheet seemed impossible to do. TO achieve the same level of protection and agression the germans had to build a 70 ton behemot (King tiger and Loewe).

It had a 122mm gun (we all remeber that even the 190 ton 128mm Maus and the 210 ton howie maus were rolling coastal bunkers) and a max battle weight of 48 tons. Plus armouring at 200/230mm frontal!!!!

For a future tanker that must sound crazy to you. But interessingly i've always hated the IS3 because it doomed the soviet crews to certain death. Cramped fight compartiment, two stage ammo (already this heresy) slow firing gun, Impractical DSHK position and most importantly small, low turret impractical for cover when progressing inside cities with infantry on it's back.
Night
QUOTE (Avtomat @ May 28 2006, 03:59 PM) *
The second tank... is in fact a self propelled giant mortar. 600mm Karl...wich is german.

Now phoenix the IS3 is special because it was the first tank that on the sheet seemed impossible to do. TO achieve the same level of protection and agression the germans had to build a 70 ton behemot (King tiger and Loewe).

It had a 122mm gun (we all remeber that even the 190 ton 128mm Maus and the 210 ton howie maus were rolling coastal bunkers) and a max battle weight of 48 tons. Plus armouring at 200/230mm frontal!!!!

For a future tanker that must sound crazy to you. But interessingly i've always hated the IS3 because it doomed the soviet crews to certain death. Cramped fight compartiment, two stage ammo (already this heresy) slow firing gun, Impractical DSHK position and most importantly small, low turret impractical for cover when progressing inside cities with infantry on it's back.

Who cares about the crew, leave that to the motherland salute.gif
M8/M320
Oh yeah I know about the King Tiger. I just didn't know it was referred to sometimes as Royal Tiger.
Phoenix
But the visual part isn't really origional so it's just kind of meh.

This one looks pretty jacked up though.


The second one looks like a precursor to the self-propelled guns we see today.

Found this pic of the Maus
senor freebie
QUOTE (senor freebie @ May 28 2006, 04:20 PM) *
This was actually a US tank if I remember right. I don't think it was ever deployed into combat though.


QUOTE (Night @ May 29 2006, 02:48 AM) *
Dear god, all that armor with slow speed! It is such a great counterpart to them mysterious tanks of the evil western empires, and them evil democratic americans, don't you agree senor? tongue.gif


I made the post I quoted before yours. The links provided before my post went to articles describing the tank as a US prototype. IMO you were simply trying to bait me in a fairly obvious and naive way. Also ... I'm not going to turn this into a politics thread. I'd much rather talk about the subject matter; the T-28 / M-95 tank and other heavy tanks of WW2.

The IS series were very powerful tanks for their days. As far as I know their guns were the largest in operation on a tank in WW2. Furthermore ... they could still be considered capable today, unlike most other WW2 tanks. The 122mm gun is the same as the one on the M-1974 which many people on these forums have experience with. It could punch a hole through an Abrams at 2km (sure an Abrams could kill it at twice that) but its certainly a big leap from the 88mm gun on the Tiger.

Does anyone know how many IS tanks were operational in WW2? The IS-3 only just caught the end of the war I thought ... and the Soviets managed massive production of the T-34 (tens of thousands). But what about the IS-1 and 2. Also ... I read a battle transcript about a single IS-1 holding off a German Panzer regiment (not sure how many tanks that involves) but it was destroying Panzers, Panthers and Tigers well and truly outside their effective range and constantly forcing the Germans into retreat.

As for the question of air support. I also remember hearing about the deployment of a super heavy / heavy tank on a front in WW2. I suspect it was a Maus on the Eastern Front, although it may be a myth, I recall hearing something about air power easily defeating it. The size of these tanks makes them pretty easy targets and its easy to isolate them if you have numerical superiority and a fair bit of cover. Sure, you might not be able to get a direct hit very often even on such a large target, but its not like its going to run away in a hurry tongue.gif You could bomb it all day and it wouldn't be able to escape.
Phoenix

Those tracks look alot like the T156 tracks on the Abrams.
Avtomat
QUOTE (senor freebie @ May 29 2006, 01:37 AM) *
I made the post I quoted before yours. The links provided before my post went to articles describing the tank as a US prototype. IMO you were simply trying to bait me in a fairly obvious and naive way. Also ... I'm not going to turn this into a politics thread. I'd much rather talk about the subject matter; the T-28 / M-95 tank and other heavy tanks of WW2.

The IS series were very powerful tanks for their days. As far as I know their guns were the largest in operation on a tank in WW2. Furthermore ... they could still be considered capable today, unlike most other WW2 tanks. The 122mm gun is the same as the one on the M-1974 which many people on these forums have experience with. It could punch a hole through an Abrams at 2km (sure an Abrams could kill it at twice that) but its certainly a big leap from the 88mm gun on the Tiger.

Does anyone know how many IS tanks were operational in WW2? The IS-3 only just caught the end of the war I thought ... and the Soviets managed massive production of the T-34 (tens of thousands). But what about the IS-1 and 2. Also ... I read a battle transcript about a single IS-1 holding off a German Panzer regiment (not sure how many tanks that involves) but it was destroying Panzers, Panthers and Tigers well and truly outside their effective range and constantly forcing the Germans into retreat.

As for the question of air support. I also remember hearing about the deployment of a super heavy / heavy tank on a front in WW2. I suspect it was a Maus on the Eastern Front, although it may be a myth, I recall hearing something about air power easily defeating it. The size of these tanks makes them pretty easy targets and its easy to isolate them if you have numerical superiority and a fair bit of cover. Sure, you might not be able to get a direct hit very often even on such a large target, but its not like its going to run away in a hurry tongue.gif You could bomb it all day and it wouldn't be able to escape.


IS series (1-2-2M-3) 3900...
KV series (1s-85) that served a base around 1600.

Hum and about T-34's around 55000.
TheRingmaster
QUOTE (Phoenix @ May 28 2006, 07:46 PM) *

the T156 tracks on the Abrams look alot like Those tracks

fixed wink.gif
Lord of all Hedgehogs
these remind me of that crazy Overlord-tank in C&C generals
.panzerassaultbear
check this article out !

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option...emid=50&lang=en
FordMustang


That's a crazy looking tank.
RedAero
The Maus was never used in combat. It never even got a working turret.
Living Ghost
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