I was very disappointed when I found out I am playing a game basically (Russia vs. Germany and U.S) . If you’re going to have Ukrainian flag, the least you can do is make them ACTUALLY SPEAK UKRAINIAN. Ukraine Language is more brutal and more powerful/ruthless sounding. I was some-what offended watching Ukrainian flags everywhere but playing a character as a Russian. I have no problems playing Spetsnaz on Special Forces and I respect the country Russia. But I don’t like playing as a Russian character with Ukrainians flags everywhere. There is a huge difference between the two languages. I can go on and on about the differences. Let’s just put it this way.. You wouldn’t want U.S troops running around speaking Spanish would you?
If you guys need true Ukrainian speech, Xfire me : SurgeDS I am only hear to make this better for everyone else. The last thing you want is a bunch of crazy Ukrainians bitch all day long about this in the future. It’s a big thing for them. I am just trying to inform you of your mistake.
There are a few other things that are Russian and needs to be fixed. But I wont mentioned them yet cuz this is the biggest issue.
Thanks for your understanding and respect for other countries. (By the way, I speak 4 languages)

Yes, we have been told that we made a mistake on the language:
http://www.pointofexistence.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=8251

As I understand it, over 60% of the population speaks Russian. Is this true? Or is it more, they speak it, but wouldnt consider it thier primary language?

Well, first of all - I'm surprised to hear that Ukrainian is more brutal It is considered one of the most melodical, and tendent languages is the world
But that has nothing to do with the matter.
The situation is as such - the Ukrainian army, as it is today, (officers - not so) is mostly formed of recruits from rural grounds, or provincial towns, where Ukrainian is indeed more spread. And when my friend served in the army, all orders from officers and senor soldiers were given in Ukrainian.
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean one thing - becouse beetween each other, soldiers still communicated mostly in Russian, or in, as its called here, "Surzhyk", a provincial dialact, which is a mixture of Ukrainian and Russian, and is considered as something like Redneck in the US.

Of course - in Western Ukraine, Ukrainian is mostly spoken. But as I've spoken with many people, who served in the army - all say that the number of recruits from western Ukraine is minimal.


On a side note - the fact with that Russian speech, which we hear in POE2, is that there are lots of gramatical mistakes. It seems as youre playing some Caucasian army(becouse those mistakes are quite typical for their russian speech)

yeaaaa i agree with tis post i make post similiat to this post!!!
Russian army = russsian lenguage Ukranian army = ukranian lenguege

In ukraine now all schools have ukranian lenguage primary and in all cityes is primary lenguages now!

That is not true. 60% of Ukrainians do not speak Russian. I bet you that fact was given to you by a Russian. However, it’s still Europe so you will find all sorts of people in Ukraine just like in any other European country. Kiev, the hart of Ukraine is your best bet to find Russians and mixed people.

If you go to Ukraine’s country side land, or even other villages besides Kiev, you will find that most of them speak Ukrainian. Heck my family just got back from visiting Ukraine in August so i think i have a pretty good update. Russian people are a little bit mistreated in Ukraine and i noticed in Moscow Ukrainians are not accepted as much aswell. They have a small amount of hate for each other after the separations.

Bottom line is. Russians can’t understand ANYTHING when a true Ukrainian speaks. ( i have plenty of friends to witness this even on team speak). But Ukrainians can catch on to Russian easier and catch a few words because it’s a much easier language.

Yes, I still stand by Ukrainian languages being much brutal. Example: Try saying “Hand me that ladder" in Russian and then say it in Ukrainian. You will see the difference. Also, my Woman is American. When she comes to visit my folks with me, whenever I speak to my Grandma, my woman always think we are fighting because the way we talk. When I speak Russian to my mom, its much softer.. This is coming from the mouth of an American. People from other countries can only judge it. Heck she tried learning Ukrainian but ended up learning Russian because it’s much easier and softer on her tong.

"What are you doing?" Ukrainian - "SHOO TE ROBISH" Russian "Chvo te delayesh" P.S Ukrainian theme should be added when they win.

Once again, I respect both countries and I respect everyone else. My mom is Russian for peaks sake. Everyone else speaks Ukrainian/American at our house except when we talk to her. She lived in Ukraine for over 25 years before coming to U.S though.

Anyway, we are making new russian voice commands by ProZac's request.

work in progress...

Great thread.

Sounds like Swedish vs. Danish and Norwegian. They have no problems understanding me at all, but the other way around? Christ, no...

Or Welsh vs. English. While most English speakers couldn't understand a word of Welsh most Welsh speakers understand both.

/Edit

And I agree ... what a great thread. Someone really needs to contact these guys and get them recording

im a russian and i can tell you russian and ukrain language are quite equal. There is not much difference. Russians cant speak ukrain but they understand most of it. Ukrains actualy can speak both and many people in ukrain still speak more russian then ukrain. I could even imagine that ukrain army actualy speak russian but i dont know.

The funny thing is, in PoE2 its neither russian nor it is ukrain. It is a very broken russian with heavy accent. Most frases are spoken totaly wrong but some sound realy authentic.

random question but i never did find out, is ukrainian for 'yes' da or tak?

Tak=yes

Anyways, Ukrainian is derived from russian, I mean, ukraine was PART of russia before it split off.

I'm surrounded by Ukrainians every day, and I consider Russian to be a lot harsher sounding.

Isn't "tak" also "like this" in russian? You might also remember "tak tochno" ("exactly like this", "Yes sir") from BF1942

Yeah, theres a pretty big difference, and when I went to Ukraine last summer, in Kyiv, majority of people started speaking ukrainian, not nearly as much because that was the first language they had to learn (they didn't teach ukrainian in soviet schools) but mostly out of principle, and my generation (currently late teens) almost all speak ukrainian since it was the language that we had to learn in school and just out of sense of national pride

btw, if you guys do record ukrainian speech, I can also help if you'll need some more people

I dunno man, you may have been in Ukraine lately, or whatever. I LIVE in the heart of Ukraine, for Christs sake, and this summer I visited dozens of Ukrainian cities. And I can tell you honestly - pure Ukrainian is very hard to find. Mostly you hear either "Surzhyk", as I've stated earlier, or mixtures of Ukrainian with Moldovian, Polish, and so on.


And I don't know where you've seen all youngsters talking Ukrainian. I just turned 18. ALL of my friends talk Russian. 98% of people I talk with in my University, speak Russian, and I study in one of the best universities in Ukraine! I honestly don't know what youre talking about. Maybe there's some other Ukraine around I don't know of?


And maybe Ukrainian sounded brutal to you when hearing it in "Surzhyk" form. When it is pure - it is beautiful, and melodic indeed. If I'm not mistaken, on some international conferention, 5, or some years ago, Ukrainian made to top 10 in worlds most melodical laguages
Also, although I can only suggest, she may have thought so becouse the language is much more emotional, so to speak. E.G. it is impossible to correctly speak spanish, without using your mimickry to the full.
There are far less "hard" sounds in ukrainian then in russian,(****ty explanation, I know. But I'm not a filologist. And it's even harder to explain in a foreign language! ), and your transcription of Russian|Ukrainian words is useless, becouse there are plenty sounds, in both languages, which do not have analogues in english.

TA bliati zaebali ulle, ukrainski eto dlia ukraini a ruski dlia rosii, eto americantsi ne xuya ne znayit y pezdiat.....

ok, maybe not like pure ukrainian they spoke like god knows how long ago, but I dunno man there are some russian words used that are easier to say, but mostly its ukrainian, syrzhyk w/e, what university do you go to?

Berkut, lol

Da poshel ty. Ustroili tut balagan. Sho za dolbaniy showinizm? Poprowe nado byt, i realno smotret na mir, a ne takim, kakim on viditsya 4erez rozovye o4ki, ept. Togo, o 4em ty govorish, mol "ukrainski eto dlia ukraini a ruski dlia rosii", nihrena net. Elsi ty pytaewsya otricat' obwee, 4to ets u ukraini i rossiji, to tebe nado otricat dobruyu polovinu ukrainskoj kultury. Kak i russkoj. I hare trepatsya.


*ahem*
Sorry, everyone. The dialogue hasn't much sense in it, so it's not really worth turning it back into english. Let's just forget it.


Berkut999

http://univ.kiev.ua/

This one, if it tells you anything. The english version is crappy though

Sorry for the offtop, once again.

Shevchenka? wow, tse zh naykrashchuy univ v ukraini, miy bat'ko tudy hodyv, i starsha sestra hodyla tam nedaleko v kuyevo mogylian'sky academiyu

pro movy, neznayu, ya sam v kuyevi zhyv, ale bagato moyih druziv z brovariv i garenychiv (sela kolo kuyeva) i tam maizhe vsi rozmovliayut' ukrains'koyu chy syrzhukom

well w/e, in ukraine the only national language is ukrainian, and thats what ukrainian soldiers in this mod should speak imo, especially considering the future plans to add russia

Indeed... *notices a great deal of Ukrainians and Russians in this thread*

I must say though, regardless of what it was, I did enjoy that 15 sec recording posted in the other thread on putfile (Despite the fact I could not understand it)

lol, did anyone actually realize that Ukrainians in PoE2 actually speak RUSSIAN with thick ARMENIAN accent ? i dont think so.

How about grunts speak Surzhyk, squad leaders speak Russian, and commanders speak Ukrainian? Or something like that? That way everyone is happy. *goes in search of ppl to get recordings from*

I've already said that on page one, lad Only I said Caucasian instead of Armenian




Well... perhaps that would actually make some sense
If only it can be coded... yeah, I like your idea.




You see, thats my point - you can travel 5 clicks from Kiev, and get a totally different impression of the language question. Then travel another 5 kilometrs, and get yet another one. I, on the other hand, know a fellow from Bucha, a town not far from Kiev. I've been at his place a couple o' times, and haven't heard Ukrainian speech once.
Meaning that of they make Ukrainian soldiers talk strictly Ukrainian, they leave out half of Ukraine
I'm for the mix-up.

lListen, they might be speaking Russian in your school, but Ukraine language is the main thing and the hart of Ukraine. Just because teens can’t twist their freaking tong any more like the older folks, doesn’t mean the whole Ukraine speaks Russian. Kids ya, heck my younger brother and sister can’t say a damn word in Ukrainian any more.. It’s just too damn hard. So I can understand if you’re an 18 year old Ukrainian and arguing for Russian language to stick around in POE. It gives me the feeling that you’re just like my little brother and sister that can catch a few words here and there, but really can’t truly speak it.

As for the language being the same, this subject isn’t really meant for Russian people's opinions. They will always say as much negative things about Ukrainian as they can. We split from them, ****ed them off. So how do you expect Russian people supporting Ukrainian people when they are trying to prove to each other that they are better than one another? .. Thank god I live in U.S.A now so I don’t have to deal with that crap. ..I have no clue what street you live in Kiev brother, but sounds to me your stuck in a Russian community. Probably the same community/neighborhood as we have here in America. Russian parents don’t learn English here even if they live here forever. So they stick around the same neighborhood so they can keep each other company and have a happier life. I can image its only similar for Russians living in Ukraine.

Heck we have preachers who come from Ukraine and before they speak, they ask if the church prefers Ukrainian or Russian. Of course only like 20 people out of 300 understand Ukrainian in our church. So the speaker starts talking in heavy mixed Russian/ Ukrainian. Some Russian still can’t even understand that. Be carefully of false Ukrainians too... There are plenty of people here in American who claim they are Ukrainians. So when I start talking to them in Ukrainian they don’t understand. Those I like to call the fake ones. I always tell them, WTF? You’re Russian.. If you had some respect for your country you would at least know the dang language true? hehe. Ya, we have plenty of those. So if they can't say the same sentence in 2 different ways, don’t listen to them, they are not Ukrainians, just maybe born but raised somewhere else. I’ve been living here in American and I respect my new country. But I still DO NOT and WILL not ever forget my old country and its culture. That’s where my grandma and folks came from.

To developers of POE.

The least you can try to do is create like someone said earlier an "American version of hillbilly language" ... Basically, mix Ukrainian with a little bit of Russian... Because the truth is, MOST people in Ukraine speak Ukrainian/Russian every time they say a line. Then there’s a small percentage who speak it pure, and a small percentage that speak Russian due to parents. Just like here in America. Sometimes when I talk to my folks, I start a sentence either in Russian or Ukrainian, and then I finish it up with American. Knowing different languages does that to you. Cuz whatever is easier to say and quickest, you tend to use those words..... So mixing it 70% percent Ukrainian and 30% Russian is fine by me…. If we can’t get that fixed, please remove the yellow and blue Ukrainian flags and replace it with Russians flags. If you are going to fix it, there are plenty of people here in the forums that are ready to help you fix this problem.

Thank you and I hope I made some sense here. I am rushing off to work. Later all.

What do you mean? I am also swedish and have no trouble at all to understand Norwegian.
Danish on the other hand is more difficult, but not impossible if you concentrate...

lol - imagine if it was Liverpool vs Ukraine

wtf NOBODY would understand a fnckin thing =p

.................... word? lol, seriously though, this speech pretty much sums up how I feel too, gj Surge

like seriously, in Toronto, largest city in Canada I think there are more people that speak chinese than there are that speak english, never the less if you'd make a canadian army mod you wouldn't have them speaking in like mandarin or cantanese

LOL Europe sucks language wise. Not that it's anyone's fault, it's just the way things worked out over time. You have to learn a lot of languages if you want to travel much of anywhere from what I hear. Glad I live where (almost) everyone speaks the same language, even if I travel a lot.

by the way german also doesnt sound perfect. I dont know what language the germans speak in your version. I am running the german version of bf2 and they speak the standard german language just like when i have selected "only german radio" in options.

It is spoken correct. Sounds like it was german people who recorded it. But the gramatics of some frases are broken as well. Some frases are not said like this, it sounds like a word to word translation from english.

same with the broken russian in poe2. It is not ukrain and not russian. It is a word to word translation from english to russian.

example: in poe2 you hear "zhit´budesh?.." when youre revived by a medic. That means "will you be alive?.." translated word to word. It even sounds more stupid in russian because the sentence is gramaticaly incomplete. If you ask somene in russian "zhit´budish?" youd be asked what you mean...

Anyway, I just deleted a huge post I've written earlier. I just decided I don't want to turn this thread into what your making it.

Oh, and I just showed your post to a pal of mine, via ICQ. What can I say... thanks for a good laugh
Heh... "community"... LOL

PREVED, IDIOTEG
Vypiy trutky

whoever just mentioned that Russians do not like Ukrainians is dead wrong. do not mix everyday stuff with BIG POLITICS. i always liked ukrainians, i hang out with ukrainians, and hell, i love ukrainian chicks.

I was born and rased in Kiev, capital of Ukraine.(love the Mod btw.) But the language that is being used with mod is Russian with slite gergian accent. But It doen't bother me at all. Plus from BF2 comunity you should be able to find some Ukranian speaking players that could give some samples ad frases that you could use in a future. I have to be excused from that, couse groving up over there and going to Russian speaking school did not help my Ukranian language skils. Keep up a good work POE.

Just a quation, have you concidre to apply a ABR system to you mode?
This what I mean http://www.battlefieldranking.net/

You're absolutely correct. Forgot to mention this. Same with me towards russians.
And St.Petersburg is the damn most beautiful and charming place in the world


I sorta agree with the person above me. I mean really, like, whatever - the game is already Awesome, and this issue ain't of that big importance. Besides that, it raised such unhealthy polemics as we see above.

Only next time, when someone from another distant country will be trying to tell me, what my country is like, I'll answer with the same coin

Now honestly - whatever the devs decide - fine with me. They already did a fine job, and I'm positive they'll make it even better.

net na etom mi ne zakonchili, ti moll ne tak ponial ya sam ukrainets y govorui shto v ukrainskoy armyy govoriat na ukrainskom y tolko... esli xtoto ne znaet ukrainkovo to eto evo problema ulle...

One thing about this whole "Russian Vs Ukranian" Voices.
When the mod was in development, I do not recall many Ukranians on the forums, or any Ukranians offering to do the voices. One of our testers Nephilim, who is from Eastern Europe, was asked to do the voices for us, because we did not have an alternative.
Nephilim and Prozac spent many hours going over the voices, and to be honest, it was better than nothing.

Also, according to various websites Russian is still widely used in Ukraine.

One thing I found interesting was this statement.


http://www.tryukraine.com/info/languages.shtml

I want to remind you guys, that we are working on new Russian voice commands! Its a big work, so be patient please...

First of all, i would like to say that i'm comming from west Ukraine, i speak ukrainian (all of my life i did), my friends and family speaks ukrainian and you cant ignore millions of ukrainians that speak ukrainian(ukraine has over 50millions people). Its ignorant and rude to make ukrainian military speak russian. From the day Ukraine become independent Ukrainian language IS MAIN language in this country, and IT IS USED IN MILITARY and other government institutions, and also, even if you find it hard to believe in everyday life. All of you so called "ukrainians" that want POE2 continue to use russian instead of ukrainian go f... yourself! you live in Ukraine, and you must realize that your country have its own culture and its own language, inspite you speak russian in your everyday life. I am 100% pure ukrainian and i have a BIG ****in issue to listen russian language under Ukrainian flag!!! I read this forum and there also a lot of russians that share the same kind of thinking like those "ukrainians" (if they are anyway...), for them i alse have a few words, LEAVE THIS MATTER TO UKRAINIANS, its not your call to deside waht language should speak Ukrainian military (****, why is it even been questioned????)!!! Show some respekt to Ukraine and ukrainians, if not F... YOU, i will not respekt your country and your language neither!

P.S. Sorry for my language, i'm bit ****ED OFF by all of this crap. Few facts for autors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine There IS country like Ukraine, it has its own language and culture, and a lot of people are VERY INSULTED because of this language matter. If you want to make the game even bette, change caucasian russian to UKRAINIAN! In west Ukrain its a matter of honor, cause my grandfathers like a lot of other true patriots died defending my country and my language from russian bolsheviks!!!
I'll help with everything i could to help ukrainian voices recorded. Fell free to contact me at msn or e-mail weedos@net.hr

СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ!!!! SLAVA UKRAINI!!!!!

Ha-ha. LOL. I was expecting a freak from western Ukraine to make his appearance here sooner or later.

Half of your statements made me laugh. The first thing that made me wonder if you are really Ukrainian, - the statement that "Ukraine has over 50millions people". Any Ukrainian knows that that number hasn't been true for many years now - that there are only about 47 million now. Secondly, any "Ukrainian", that says I'm not Ukrainian becouse I don't act like him, is an imbecile by definition. If you're as close-mided as you appear, nobody wont listen to a word you say.
Stop pouring the crap thats inside you into this forum. Nobody here actually cares, what's going on inside Ukraine, and about your own little psychological problems. Relax, and take your time to make an intelligent post, with a clear point, not your wild blabber. The only thing you can achieve by your current behaviour - is give the folks here a real bad imperssion of Ukraine and its people.


And considering the limited knowledge people in the world have of Ukraine, and Ukrainians, I sincerely wouldn't want that to happen.

Also please keep in mind we have limited resources and getting it in Russian alone was a huge task. I am sure if we had the opportunity to find somebody who was able to record the Ukraine voices and had a good voice, then we would use it. This was not done to insult Ukraine or try to say every one there speaks Russian. It was simply the best solution we had with our limted resources.

I support this policy of offending target nationalities and sowing sectarian discord. Is there any way that the Germans could be made to speak French?

so laugh as long as you like to, i dont care. But I do care, that people will get wrong impression that Ukraine is the same country as russia, and ukrainians speaks russians cause they dont have their own language. Its humiliating, for me and should be for you, unless you're not ukrainian or you dont give a **** of what your ancestors were (if you are russian, dont see the point of arguing such things with me in the first place). Anyway, its to much politics in here, but i didnt wanted all that to come out.
all i want is just POE II stop giving wrong impression to the rest of the world. The fact is that in the Ukrainian army YOU MUST SPEAK UKRAINIAN (orders from officers etc...), and you cannot beat that fact by any other thing. I dont see the point to explain that to you, because i think you know it very well by yourself. And by the way, i'm not freak, i just do care about my own culture, language and selfrespekt. its is sad you dont...

And to the autors, i do understand your efforts and difficulties, but i also know there are many people out there that want to help you (for free ofcourse) with that manner just to sattisfy true, and you could benefit from it by having authentic ukrainian army voice commands. It would be awsome! As far as I know many people would have enormous gratitude. But if you will continue to do such tremendous injustice you will get yourself to the point where many people will be angry and dissapointed. I'll just give you an example, what would all the germans said if you recorded german commands and voices in french?

I believe this fix is in the works, its a HUGE job though, so may take a while.

we understand the reasons for changing it.

glad to hear that m8! and i'm pleased that you considered and started to work on that problem. As i mentioned before, you can feel free to ask me for help about that manner. cheers!

I'll ignore all the senseless nationalistical blabber, and ask you just ONE thing. Your so confidenet when talking about the Ukrainian army, BUT, did you, yourself, serve in the Ukrainian army? If yes, then where, when, in which branch of the army.
If no, then I have no more questions, everything is understood.

****in' hell it's the rapture!!! weedos, first of all most people won't even notice that the language spoken is russian, perhaps because we don't speak ukranian OR russian?

And why do you care so much? you rant on about honour and valor and whatnot, but this is a god damned game, it's not real life destruction of poles and germans nor is it real life formation of some obscure Ukranian empire, so i can't see why you would put any honor in some mod having the right language for some phrases or not.

I'm not against including ukranian language for the ukranians, but i have some wishes that i give a WAAAY higher priority than a language fix, and i don't understand why you have to go all extreme righty and drag in honor, bolsjevism and "my granddad died for this mod".. (i'm not even going to touch the "100% pure ukranian" comment..)

btw.. that little german/french analogy you gave can't be used as a comparative since very few germans are french/german biligual today.. using french as the german language would be a much, much graver mistake than the russian in ukraine.

oh, and you say that non-ukranians have no say in the matter what language should be spoken in the mod.. well guess what, bub.. neither do you.. the devs could have the ukranians speak klingon if they wanted to, infact maybe they should?

Klingon
- Advantage: Irritates both Ukrainian and Russian speaking Ukrainians
- Disadvantage: Does not take advantage of animosity between Ukrainian and Russian nationalists to generate magnified dissatisfaction on the part of the former.

Before, I would have been in favour of Klingon since it plainly has the numerical advantage in terms of alienation. However since weedos is so annoying I think it is worth sticking with Russian just to retaliate against him.

Fruious, how would you like it if the Devs included the combined might of Ungandan warlords, but they had the voices of 11 year olds? Speaking 1337.

First of all i'm patriot not extreme nacionalist, and second if you live in Ukraine you must respect its language, and people who use their language in their country. I can do some other analogy: if you say the languages are so similar, what would say russians if there were ukrainian voices in special forces? hell, i would protest in the first place! ITS NOT THE SAME LANGUAGE! Russia has official russian language and so they use it in their military, Ukraine has ukrainian official language and its used in our military. Its not about the people and percentage of russian and ukrainian speaking people, its about real facts, and the BIG FAT fact is (which you stomac obviously cannot handle) for you mister - YOU LIVE IN UKRAINE, an guess what - official language is UKRAINIAN AND ONLY UKRAINIAN! i dont need to be in the army to know that. Hell, even children in elementary school know that. You flame me because its not OK with me that Ukrainian army in POEII uses russian instead of ukrainian, and i'm the bad guy now... i dont want to defending myself from your accusations and i dont need to, because even developers noticed that mistake, and they are working on correction.
if you're not respect your origin, your language and who you are, no one wiil ever respect you to, and you will never learn how to respect other people to.


Obviously you didnt even tried to read my post with some understanding. and who are you kidding, you're not understand either language but you "know" there are "less" differences betwen them and people will not notice them?? You didnt knew my grand dad, so dont you dare to dissrespect that man and people who died for their country. its only show how ignorant and asshole you are. If you realy dont give a **** then take a walk from this thread, its obviously not the area that you are interested in.

The majority in here is well aware that there is a difference between russian & ukrainian language. If some didnt know before, they do since they started to read the threads about this topic / in-game language. And obviously you didnt do the hard job to read first before waving your flag around. I - as a native german speaker - wouldn't mind if the devs had an austrian speaker only for the german side in the beginning, i'd survived it without playing Britney Tears in that way.. It's like Savushka said, it depends on how you present yourself if you want to step in somewhere & get attention for what you are.. Hope this is getting closed soon before you fill up 4 pages verbally burning each other's flag.

Lets summarize some things that you are obviously didnt catch during reading this thread (and you flame me for not reading in-game languge thread... its true, i didnt, but i will sure do). its not the russian speaker that reads ukrainan commands, ITS COMPLETELY another language! It isnt ukrainian AT ALL! get the picture now?