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senor freebie
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MOGADISHU, Somalia - U.S. warships and helicopters on Monday surrounded a hijacked cargo ship loaded with Sudan-bound tanks and other arms to keep the weapons from falling "into the wrong hands," an American Navy spokesman said.
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The shipment of 33 Russian-designed tanks, rifles and ammunition on the Ukrainian-operated Faina was headed for Sudan — not Kenya as previously claimed by Kenyan officials, said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a deputy spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.

The pirates who seized the ship are demanding a $20 million ransom.

Christensen said an unspecified number of destroyers and cruisers have joined the San Diego-based USS destroyer Howard within a 10-mile radius of the Faina.

"The safety of the ship's crew and cargo is a paramount concern to us," Christensen said, adding additional warships and helicopters were deployed to prevent the weapons from falling "into the wrong hands."


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Seems like a very interesting story IMO especially for people who took an interest in the scenario that we made for the original PoE. The arms onboard the ship it seems are being bought by a Kenyan company from a Ukranian arms exporter to arm the autonomous Southern Sudanese. This, in itself is a VERY aggressive act for the region. Of course, the sanctions the UN applied to arms going into Sudan only apply to the various rebel groups and not the Sudanese government or the autonomous South but this is a fractured country as it is. The last thing either side needs is more arms ... and if you follow the chain; Southern Sudan - Kenya - Ukraine - USA in terms of who's calling the shots geopolitically its not quite what we had in mind in the original PoE because its actually China arming the Khartoum
government but still ... its pretty bloody close!

Oh and yeah ... piracy is way cool too tongue.gif These guys called the damn Associated Press while the US encircled them with their fleet. These pirates probably shat themselves when they saw what the cargo was.
$uper£iga
Just wait untill Navy Seal or Spetznat storm the ship...

Talking about the piracy down there (i'm sure DP is behind it all lmao.gif ) The danish ship HDMS Absalonsen caugt 10 pirates down there. It would be too difficult to put them to trial in Denmark, and we werent allowed to send them to other states, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, etc. where they would get deathpenalty. So we had to let them go again weird.gif
betterdeadthanred
No way this will be let go. You can expect a rude awakening in the form of Navy SEALs raining onto your top deck to cut their way in and tear you a new asshole. What kind of idiot does it take to hold a ship full of weapons ransom and expect nothing to happen?
dsmx
I'd be more worried if the SAS were called in navy seals are a bunch of pansies in comparison.
Denver3000
Read about this.. imagine the pirates' reaction when they saw the cargo was either "Ohh.. Allright!!" or "Ohh.. sh it!"
Probably the last..
Damn pirates, makes life difficult for everyone at sea... Maybe now I will get my suggestion of having a pintle-mounted M2HB in the bow of my boat through to the rest of my crew!
Got to get hold of some sort of firearm for our journey though, my compound bow (although equipped with explosive multi purpose arrows devil.gif ) will not do the job IF we were attacked.. evil.gif
DrunkenPirate
Damn it!! I knew me first mate was an incompetent fool!! "Go an' plunder those tanks! how hard can it be?" and 'e mucks it up! If ye want something doing right, do it yerself!!
Zephoid
if i was them i would try getting one of those tanks on deck. That would cause some real problems if anyone tried using helicopters to drop people in. you cant use AT weps either, or you would sink the ship. would be a tricky situation.
Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (dsmx @ Sep 29 2008, 03:05 PM) *
I'd be more worried if the SAS were called in navy seals are a bunch of pansies in comparison.


O Rly?
senor freebie
QUOTE (Zephoid @ Sep 30 2008, 09:47 AM) *
if i was them i would try getting one of those tanks on deck. That would cause some real problems if anyone tried using helicopters to drop people in. you cant use AT weps either, or you would sink the ship. would be a tricky situation.


I'm not sure if this article mentioned it but the one that first reported it quoted someone from Ukraine's arms exporter who the AP had rung and he said that the equipment would not be easy to unload which I imagine means 'not easy to unload while at sea, rolling back and forth, without cranes or proper dockhands'. But I have to say that could make for one of the most interesting confrontations at sea in a few decades. I mean, in the modern world ships tend to have smaller arnament then a tank as their 'main gun'. Basically oversized warning shot machines that are cheaper to use them big-F-off-missiles. Imagine the pragmatic approach the US Navy would have to take.

"Pull the ships back to outside the range of those tanks and do not fire so don't kill the hostages ... someone order some helicopters that can withstand a 12.7mm punch-hole".
Smokeyandthebandit
Standard equip on a destroyer and cruiser is a 127MM gun, bigger then current tank weapons.
RedAero
7 or 2 mm bigger, depending on the type of tank(assuming it's an MBT). Not much difference there.
senor freebie
Depends on the class of ship too. A lot of ships have 100mm guns. Sure they repeat fire a bit better but a T-72's 125mm probably has better AP ammunition in comparison ... the 100mm gun probably comes equipped with a bunch of crap like flares, smoke and HE which isn't much good vs. a tank.
Denver3000
I know for a fact the Russians have a 100 or 120mm naval gun, capable of 60 rounds per minute... That's pretty damn awesome for something that big!
senor freebie
Yeah but I'm pretty sure its multi-barrel if its the same one I'm thinking of.
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The ship's 130 mm guns are the AK-130-MR-184 ... Rate of fire is disputed, but various Russian sources credit the weapon with a cyclic rate of 30-40 rounds per minute per barrel

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I wonder what the AP capabilities of that are ... and indeed the accuracy to say a tank are at 3-4km. Could actually make for a pretty interesting scenario and it could happen in a future war. A ship visiting a port during a coup detat or something which isn't favourable to said Navy ... Destroyer fights out of harbour vs. a group of tanks on the shore.
ziggy
the pirates are killing each other off lol
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080930/ap_on_..._somalia_piracy
DrunkenPirate
This is movie material!!
Krazny
I kno notzing! [/SgtShultze]
>_>
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>_>

Lord of all Hedgehogs
... featuring Steven Seagal! or even better:

Smokeyandthebandit
Oh shi-
razor1uk
I think the Pirates were either unlucky in taking the ship, or they knew of it and hoped to to a deal before the World found out.
Either way they have been sacrificed by their organisation, and the weapons too, or the weapons onboard the ship are a possible diversion to another supply route that is in motion.

Obvious Tactics.

Speaking of Pirates, if you peeps want some gun totting, feme fatale anime action, then look into Black Lagoon
Anime News Network info of Black Lagoon
Black Lagoon Wiki-info
Black Lagoon RVMB Episodes
ziggy
this isnt the only ship that is currently pirated and carrying bad stuff, there is another one from iran that the pirates that grabbed it are all dieing from exopsure to something very very bad...

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The MV Iran Deyanat was brought to Eyl, a sleepy fishing village in northeastern Somalia, and was secured by a larger gang of pirates - 50 onboard and 50 onshore. Within days, pirates who had boarded the ship developed strange health complications, skin burns and loss of hair. Independent sources tell The Long War Journal that a number of pirates have also died. "Yes, some of them have died. I do not know exactly how many but the information that I am getting is that some of them have died," Andrew Mwangura, Director of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program, said Friday when reached by phone in Mombasa.


http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/200...urrounds_hi.php
razor1uk
Dirty Bomb parts? maybe 'Anti-Piracy Isotopic Warfare', old/aging/decomissioned/defective NBC weaponry shipment, Somalia and Sudan have both been used before by Iran & Iraq for weapons storage and arms trade.

Its strange how the US is willing to quietly aid Iran in securing the ship, obviously the pirates have accidently hooked a bigger fish than they thought, and pulled up a communications cable - metaphorically speaking, between the lines, somethings going on.
Smokeyandthebandit
Probably Biological/chemical weapons, or Uranium rods for the Iranian reactor.
Recon_Team
Sadly, these Somali pirates are not the cool type of Pirate.

Now if they captured that boat filled with T-72s with cutlasses, flintlocks, eye patches, and parrots that would be badass!
terrekain
QUOTE (dsmx @ Sep 29 2008, 09:05 PM) *
I'd be more worried if the SAS were called in navy seals are a bunch of pansies in comparison.


Whatever.

Just don't bring those Royal Marine screw-ups that surrendered to iranian skiffs without a shot being fired, then embaressed themselves in front of the world by singing Kumbaya and taking Iranian candy. hammer.gif

Thank God the US Navy and their VBSS Team are on the job in this one.
ziggy
no pissing contests please, wink.gif
[tR]Greasy_Mullet
Special Forces are badass period. The only difference I see is to what extent their arms are tied in fighting. With that reguard... if I was those thugs on that ship, I would be afraid... very afraid because it is the Russians coming to get their butts and their hands are not tied.
senor freebie
International waters / Somali waters ... no hand tying unless its those black zipper things special forces use to secure captives.

Hrmm ... they did say the Ukranian ship had small arms and heavy weapons onboard. Maybe they mean cannons, muskets, blunderbusses, pistols and cutlasses! I mean maybe the tanks weren't the issue here. Maybe the ship was an attempt by Ninja's to sneak stolen weapons past some pirates!

"Oh look see here ... its just tanks and what not. Nothing to concern you Pirate-san. We're just off to arm some more African militias."

Does this mean that the US Navy is on the side of the Ninjas??? What is the world coming to.
ziggy
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Smokeyandthebandit
Spetsnaz will kill the Pirates with backflipping hatchet attacks.
dsmx
The mere threat of sending the SAS in would make the pirates commit suicide. So there tongue.gif
betterdeadthanred
SAS - SEALs, Almost SEALs.
Recon_Team
QUOTE (betterdeadthanred @ Oct 1 2008, 08:49 PM) *
SAS - SEALs, Almost SEALs.


Bah, none of your pansy special forces compare to the elite units of the Glorious Democratic Republic of the Congo!





Heartburn
Lmao. I gotta admit, the Spetsnaz are pretty f-ing kick arse. Saw a show on the military channel about them. Amazingly, it didn't seem biased towards the U.S. :S

ANYWAY: I gotta think that the Iranian ship must have radioactive elements on it.

~Heartburn
Krazny
I really dont know why everyone's freaking out about it.

especially when a single Harpoon can solve the problem. . .
ziggy
it wont last to long once it starts thats for sure wink.gif

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Somalia Says Foreign Powers May Use Force to End Standoff With Pirates

Wednesday, October 01, 2008

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Sept. 30: Commanding officer of a U.S. Navy guided-missile cruiser monitors the pirated Ukrainian cargo ship Faina in the Indian Ocean.

Sept. 30: Commanding officer of a U.S. Navy guided-missile cruiser monitors the pirated Ukrainian cargo ship Faina in the Indian Ocean.

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MOGADISHU, Somalia — Foreign powers can use force if necessary to free a hijacked cargo ship loaded with battle tanks and heavy ammunition, Somalia's foreign ministry declared Wednesday — increasing pressure on the Somali pirates who have demanded a $20 million ransom.

Last week's hijacking of the Ukrainian ship MV Faina — carrying 33 Soviet-made T-72 tanks, rifles, and heavy weapons that U.S. defense officials say included rocket launchers — was the highest profile act of piracy this year in the dangerous waters off Somalia.

Mohamed Jama Ali, the ministry's acting permanent director, said his country granted its permission to use force on the condition that foreign powers coordinate their actions with Somali government officials beforehand.

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"The international community has permission to fight with the pirates," Ali told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Ali also reported that negotiations were taking place by telephone Wednesday between the ship's Ukrainian owners and the pirates, and said no other parties were involved.

Ukrainian news agencies say the ship's operator is Tomex Team, based in the Black Sea port of Odessa.
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The U.S. Navy says it wants to keep large arms cache on the Faina out of the hands of militants linked to al-Qaida in impoverished Somalia, a key battleground in the war on terrorism. The militants who have been waging an insurgency against the shaky, U.N.-backed Somali transitional government since late 2006. More than 9,000 people have been killed in the Iraq-style insurgency.

To that end, it has surrounded the Faina, anchored off the central Somali town of Hobyo, with half a dozen ships, including USS guided missile destroyer USS Howard, which has sophisticated weapons and monitoring equipment.

A spokesman for the U.S. 5th fleet in Manama, Bahrain, the control point for the USS Howard, said Wednesday "while our ships remain on station in the area, we are not participating in negotiations between the pirates and the ship owners."

The U.S. warships are not allowing the pirates to take any weapons off the seized ship but have allowed them to resupply with food and water for the Faina's crew members. The ship had 21 crew, mostly Ukrainians, when it was hijacked Sept. 25 but the captain has reportedly died.

American military officials and diplomats say the weapons are destined for southern Sudan, but Kenyan officials insist the weapons are bound for their country.

Moscow also has dispatched a warship to the scene, saying it must protect the lives of the Russians aboard the captive vessel, even though there are only a few Russians among the crew.

The Russian guided missile frigate Neustrashimy, or Intrepid, is not expected to reach the Somali coast for several days. However, the state-owned Russian news agency RIA-Novosti, quoting a high-level Navy official, says the frigate is carrying marines and special forces commandoes.

Russia has used force in the past to end several hostage situations — sometimes disastrously, as in the 2004 storming of a school in Beslan, which resulted in 333 deaths, nearly half of them children.

"We will be happy to work with them once they arrive, it's partly their crew and their cargo aboard," Lt. Stephanie Murdock, a 5th Fleet spokeswoman, told The Associated Press over the phone from Bahrain.

Murdock said the Navy had not had any contact with the Russians yet, but indicated that "will change once they arrive here."

In Washington, Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman declined to comment on any possible military operations but said the U.S. was continuing to monitor the situation and remains concerned that the cargo not fall into the wrong hands.

In June, an unanimous U.N. Security Council resolution gave foreign nations' ships permission to enter Somalia's territorial waters to stop "piracy and armed robbery at sea" if their actions were taken in cooperation with Mogadishu's government.

However, Ali said he was giving new permission Wednesday to act on land or sea.

In the past, the U.S. military has launched air strikes in Somalia and has secretly sent special forces into Somalia to go after militants linked to al-Qaida.

Whitman would not give details of any new or existing agreement the United States has with the Somali government.

"(The U.S.) works closely with its partners in the region to identify, locate, capture and if necessary kill terrorists where they operate, plan their operations or seek save harbor," he said.

On Tuesday, a spokesman for the pirates denied reports of a shootout on the ship or disagreements between the pirates, saying they were celebrating the Islamic holiday that marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan.

"We are happy on the ship and we are celebrating (Eid al-Fitr)," spokesman Sugule Ali told the AP by satellite telephone. "We didn't dispute over a single thing, let alone have a shootout."

On Wednesday, his phone rang and rang but no one picked it up.

U.S. officials say 40-50 pirates are involved in Faina hijacking, but only about 30 are on the ship itself.

Piracy is a lucrative criminal racket in the region, bringing in tens of millions of dollars a year. There have been 24 reported attacks in Somalia this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau.

Most pirate attacks occur in the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, north of Somalia. But recently pirates have been targeting Indian Ocean waters off eastern Somalia.

International warships patrol the area and have created a special security corridor under a U.S.-led initiative, but attacks have not abated.
senor freebie
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Bah, none of your pansy special forces compare to the elite units of the Glorious Democratic Republic of the Congo!

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This guy wears the cape. He makes the ****ing woosh noises!

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This guy has FIVE magazines taped together because thats just how cool he is! He's cooler then 4 popped collars.
Smokeyandthebandit
Are you sure that's Congo? Looks like New Orleans to me.
Krazny
Pics are from Liberia, during the civil war.

And yes, one faction wore lifejackets. . . .

Yonsen
QUOTE (Smokeyandthebandit @ Oct 1 2008, 06:52 AM) *
Spetsnaz will kill the Pirates with backflipping hatchet attacks.

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