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Smokeyandthebandit
The same rules apply to this thread as the other Aircraft thread.....Open discussion however is allowed.
NO FLAMING OR SAYING MINE IS BETTER THEN YOURS.

So. Those who wish to discuss aircraft....and not just add a short story to it....Feel free to post here.

Happy Wells?
RedAero
Yeah, if you want a flickr page in forum-view, this is probably not the place for it.
betterdeadthanred
Oh. My. God. I was just about to start this thread about 5 seconds ago.

WOOHOO!!!

Alright, let's get this started!

Frankly, one of my favorite bombers of all time. I may be a die hard American air force fanboy, but Russians make some damn sick aircraft.



Question is, are these related somehow.


RedAero
Don't go there... tongue.gif
Smokeyandthebandit
Yea...Tu-160 and B-1 are externally almost identical....it's just the Tu-160 is doing it on a much larger scale. Heard a story somewhere that some Russian engineers got a close-up look at a B-1 during an airshow or something like that...





Gotta love those sexy F-5 Tigers.
betterdeadthanred
Well, the B-1 had its first maiden flight about 7 years before the Tu-160, but from what I understand, it had been in the works for a while. Espionage? Maybe. Similar designs? No doubt.

I must say, although it does look a bit like a swan, but also has this strange hunched over look when looking at it with the wings swept back, it makes it look as if it conquers the sky through sheer muscle rather than take to it gracefully.

Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (betterdeadthanred @ Dec 19 2007, 03:54 PM) *
I must say, although it does look a bit like a swan, but also has this strange hunched over look when looking at it with the wings swept back, it makes it look as if it conquers the sky through sheer muscle rather than take to it gracefully.




Which is why it looks so sexy. Who needs grace and good looks when you can just tear the sky up? tongue.gif
Shiva skunK
the blackjack i believe was meant as a soviet counter to the lancer, so design criteria like variable wing geometry could be "inspired" from the b-1. then again the tupolev design was chosen by the soviets by '73, which i believe was before the b-1's first flight.

There is certainly a possibility of industrial espionage involved in the design of the blackjack, but imo if that is the case, it's probably a bit further in the past than the b-1 project. the tu-160 was somewhat based on tupolevs civilian tu-144, which is rumored to be (at least partially) a product of espionage against the french concorde designers. Espionage, that if true, was effective to such a degree that tupolevs design flew before the concorde did.


Mig-3. not the best performing fighter of ww2 perhaps, but it makes up by looking damn awesome. looking awesome wins the war, right?
Russianlynxy
I beg to differ... i think the La 5FN/7 looks better...and was probably the best fighter on the Eastern Front overall (Germans used almost no jets on the eastern front.)

Tore the living crap out of the latest German BF 109 modifications and FW190s/Ta 150s
Not to mention looks absolutely sexaaayyyy



Smokeyandthebandit


Pfft....Who needs good looks when you're a fatty...tongue.gif
senor freebie
QUOTE (Shiva skunK @ Dec 20 2007, 11:53 AM) *
There is certainly a possibility of industrial espionage involved in the design of the blackjack, but imo if that is the case, it's probably a bit further in the past than the b-1 project. the tu-160 was somewhat based on tupolevs civilian tu-144, which is rumored to be (at least partially) a product of espionage against the french concorde designers. Espionage, that if true, was effective to such a degree that tupolevs design flew before the concorde did.


The Concordskii project was started BEFORE the Concorde project. In fact the design was finalised first and the Tu-160 was a direct evolution of that design even if they looked nothing alike. Basically its one of those situations where there is an 'optimal' design and both the USA and Russia figured it out. They may have peaked at drawings of each others in the process but a drawing of an airframe can only inspire ideas ... it can't produce a new aircraft.

/edit

Which looks cooler?





And yes I know the second one is glitchy.
betterdeadthanred


Sorry guys, you lose.
Smokeyandthebandit


No u
Russianlynxy
is that what Nutters flew around in when they were over the Drang? tongue.gif
razor1uk
Thats what We Were Soldiers makes you believe.

One of Gibsons & Hollywoods most 'true to the truth' movies, though still not the real truth, the uneducated masses believe that TV shows reality, and cant lie.....

Lord of all Hedgehogs
Cool... an aircraft thread without oversensitive grumpy old man.

AC-130 Gunship









chicky playing with the gunship!!

razor1uk
Like the Lady Gunner pic, did you get that from the Girls with Guns thread (or similarly named) - located in archive/active many many months ago? She was the first 'active' (as in serving in action overseas,) service female gunner, and has good accuracy and loves the buzz - I bet she does, if she......

I forgot her name, its on the old thread I talked about....

No point giving Wells stick for closing the thread, it was originally supposedly for just pictures and talk about actually being connected to them. Though the rules stretched over time like a birds butt around an egg.

Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (razor1uk @ Dec 20 2007, 07:44 AM) *
Like the Lady Gunner pic, did you get that from the Girls with Guns thread (or similarly named) - located in archive/active many many months ago? She was the first 'active' (as in serving in action overseas,) service female gunner, and has good accuracy and loves the buzz - I bet she does, if she......

I forgot her name, its on the old thread I talked about....

No point giving Wells stick for closing the thread, it was originally supposedly for just pictures and talk about actually being connected to them. Though the rules stretched over time like a birds butt around an egg.




That X-31 looks like a Midget EuroFighter.
CW2. Wells
QUOTE (razor1uk @ Dec 20 2007, 08:44 AM) *
Like the Lady Gunner pic, did you get that from the Girls with Guns thread (or similarly named) - located in archive/active many many months ago? She was the first 'active' (as in serving in action overseas,) service female gunner, and has good accuracy and loves the buzz - I bet she does, if she......

I forgot her name, its on the old thread I talked about....

No point giving Wells stick for closing the thread, it was originally supposedly for just pictures and talk about actually being connected to them. Though the rules stretched over time like a birds butt around an egg.



Throw all the digs you want chief. I give this thread two weeks before it melts down to an F-22/SU-27 debate and the whole thing is locked up tighter than a dolphins ass (to borrow from your line). Cheers.
RedAero
QUOTE (Smokeyandthebandit @ Dec 20 2007, 04:44 AM) *


No u


Any aircraft whose wings are moving faster than the fuselage must be either no longer flying, or a helicopter, and thus unsafe.
Smokeyandthebandit
Sez the guy who whores the Close Air Support aircraft...
tongue.gif

senor freebie
QUOTE (CW2. Wells @ Dec 21 2007, 05:05 AM) *
I give this thread two weeks before it melts down to an F-22/SU-27 debate and the whole thing is locked up tighter than a dolphins ass (to borrow from your line). Cheers.


There hasn't been an Su-27 / F-22 debate for a long time on these boards Wells. At least not since the debate forum closed down. There has been peaceful discussion sparked by pictures in threads like these but thats about it.

If anything the mods have been so over-zealous again that members have started disappearing ... again.
razor1uk

The aborted Flying Turtle/Pancake

Whats this...? Its not what it initially looks like. (Damn, just noticed the clearly readable notice board, Oh' bollox).
betterdeadthanred
Looks like a VTOL Mig-25 to me.

Yeah, I know it isn't, I'm just commenting on its appearance.
Heartburn
Heh, at VERY first glance it looked like a F1-Tornado. Of course, it isn't. Yak-141 biggrin.gif (Info sign in the picture FTW!)

At the Flying Pancake, it really is a shame that plane came too late in WWII. The U.S. and the Allies could have made good use of it. Really looked promising.

~Heartburn
CW2. Wells
QUOTE (senor freebie @ Dec 20 2007, 10:33 PM) *
If anything the mods have been so over-zealous again that members have started disappearing ... again.



I think the mods here do an outstanding job. They keep out most of the riff raff know it all's and wanna be know it all's. I say thumbsup.gif to them. It is funny to me though, the only ones who complain about the mods are the ones who cause the most trouble.


The Yak 52W

Russianlynxy
sport/race/trainer plane.... they use it in WWII movies alot. When WWII-era aircraft are too expensive to build for the movie.
RedAero
QUOTE (CW2. Wells @ Dec 22 2007, 08:59 PM) *
It is funny to me though, the only ones who complain about the mods are the ones who cause the most trouble.

Don't flamebait, or at least try to hide it a bit.
Russianlynxy
Leave him be. Hes likes to pretend hes a mod and starts a federal case out of nothing.
FordMustang
More pics less pointless banter

waiting for the cardboard connie to move so I get some fuel


Douglas SBD Dauntless, probably my favorite aircraft
$uper£iga
Here's some pics from different aircrafts, give a guess what aircraft the pic shows


#1

#2

#3

#4

#5

#6

#7

#8

#9

#10


I'll give you some days to guess, before i post the answears dizzy.gif
senor freebie
#1 - Tu-95

#2 - F-111

#3 - Mi-24

#4 - Ah-64

#5 - F-35

#6 - B-17

#7 - Panavia Tornado

#8 - Su-24

#9 - Su-27

#10 - Su-34

Just some quick guesses. Almost sure I got #10 wrong and just couldn't think of another aircraft and I was too lazy to really think about no#1
Russianlynxy
Freebie beat me to it. That was easy smile.gif

except number 6 is B 25

and number 7 is SEPECAT Jaguar not Tornado.
Smokeyandthebandit
#10 looks more like a SR-71.
Lord of all Hedgehogs
# 6 is B-26 marauder
Lord of all Hedgehogs
???

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Charge
QUOTE (Lord of all Hedgehogs @ Dec 27 2007, 07:47 PM) *
# 6 is B-26 marauder


It's a B-25 Mitchell. Here's a Marauder:

betterdeadthanred
I'll just do the ones that jump at me.

2. Vindicator bomber, can't remember designation though.

3. B-1B

5. Looks like a P-38 Lightning

6. Mi-26 Halo

10. Ka-25 or 27, kind of hard to tell from just the rear.
Russianlynxy
7. Looks like a "night fighter" version of a Ju 88... it had radar in the front just like that. The guns were placed pointing vertically so it can see bombers against the blue night sky and shoot them form there.
Yonsen
messerschmitt ME-262,


a reproduction:

So streamlined and modern for its day. Still looks really intimidating today.
Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (Lord of all Hedgehogs @ Dec 27 2007, 07:17 PM) *
???

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2


3


4


5


6


7


8


9


10



1. A-4 Skyhawk
2. B-58 Hustler
3. B-1B
4. Fouga Magister
5. P-38
6. Mi-6/26
7. Heinkel He-219 Uhu
8. P-80/F-80 Shooting Star
9. Fairey Swordfish
10. Ka-25 Hormone
Lord of all Hedgehogs
QUOTE (Smokeyandthebandit @ Dec 28 2007, 07:08 AM) *
1. A-4 Skyhawk
2. B-58 Hustler
3. B-1B
4. Fouga Magister
5. P-38
6. Mi-6/26
7. Heinkel He-219 Uhu
8. P-80/F-80 Shooting Star
9. Fairey Swordfish
10. Ka-25 Hormone


you nailed them all, congrats thumbsup.gif
supersabre12
Beagle Bulldog in swedish colors..We called them SK-61 Bulldog (SK= trainer)



And the JAS 39 Gripen


And one of my warbird favorites..
Actuallly they were used in Sweden too after the WW2 as a surveillance plane (S-31)


This pics were shot by me on a local airshow.

Edt:yeez thought that imageshack wouldnt shrink them that much!!!
supersabre12
And a little question for Smokey what may this be??

Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (supersabre12 @ Jan 2 2008, 04:54 AM) *
And a little question for Smokey what may this be??





Hawker Hunter.
supersabre12
Aah of course you know that one.. It was called J34 Hawker Hunter in the swedish Airforce.

This one was the one meant to be posted.. I suppose you know which one it is too?

(Not one of my pics this time)

Smokeyandthebandit
QUOTE (supersabre12 @ Jan 2 2008, 07:56 AM) *
Aah of course you know that one.. It was called J34 Hawker Hunter in the swedish Airforce.

This one was the one meant to be posted.. I suppose you know which one it is too?

(Not one of my pics this time)




Saab J32 Lansen.
Russianlynxy
An 22 Cock

Smokeyandthebandit
...You said cock..... lmao.gif
Recon_Team
Can't say that was the best name ever picked for an aircraft...
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