[HyperSonicGT-R]

Post your suggestions for weapon loadouts. For the weapon names, post them as you want them to appear in the killbox. So you could say M16A4 if you want it to say Person[M16A4]Person2 or M16A4 Assault Rifle if you want it to say Person[M16A4 Assault Rifle]Person2... hopefully that will be how it appears in POE2...


United States of America:

Special Ops/Special Forces KIT 1:
Knife
Mk.23 SOCOM
M4 Recon Carbine
Hand Grenades
Composite-4 Explosives (C4)
SIMRAD (Laser designator)

Special Ops/Special Forces KIT 2:
Knife
Mk.23 SOCOM
FN SCAR-H
Hand Grenades
Composite-4 Explosives
SIMRAD

Sniper KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
M24A2 Sniper Rifle for Army, M40A3 for USMC
Grenades
Claymore

Sniper KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
M82A3 Sniper Rifle for USMC, M107 Sniper Rifle for Army
Grenades
Claymore

Assault KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
M16A4 Assault Rifle for USMC, M8 LMWS for Army
M203 Grenade Launcher for USMC, M320 Grenade Launcher for Army

Assault KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
FN SCAR-L for USMC, HK 416 Assault Rifle for Army
Grenades

Support KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
M240G Machine Gun for USMC, M249 SAW for Army
Grenades
Ammo Pack?

Support KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
M8 LMG
Grenades
Ammo pack?

Engineer KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
Benelli M1014 for USMC, AA-12 Shotgun for Army
Grenades
AT Mines
Wrench

Engineer KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
HK MP5A4 for USMC, M8 PDW for Army
Grenades
AT Mines
Wrench

Medic KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
FN SCAR-L
Grenades
Medpack
Defibrillator?

Medic KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
M14 SOCOM II
Grenades
Medpack
Defibrillator?

Anti-Tank KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
M4A1 Carbine
Predator SRAW

Anti-Tank KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
Javelin (balanced because has no auxiliary weapon, takes some time to lock on)

[TheRingmaster]

Is there not a topic already open where you oculd have posted this? i think some others were doing something similar in the "what do you want to see in PoE:2" thread.....

[skrip00]

Yeah... Dunno if i want half that stuff in.

Id prefer if we have a topic on a class by class basis.

This post has been edited by skrip00: 05 November 2005 - 04:44 PM

[HyperSonicGT-R]

Germany:

Special Forces KIT 1:
Knife
HK USP.45 (silenced)
G36C
Grenades
Composite-4 Explosives
SIMRAD

Special Forces KIT 2:
???

Sniper KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
MSG-90 Sniper Rifle
Grenades
Claymores

Sniper KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
PSG-1 Sniper Rifle
Grenades
Claymores

Assault KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
G36 Assault Rifle
AG36 Grenade Launcer

Assault KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
G36K Assault Rifle
Grenades

Support KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
MG-3 Machine Gun
Grenades
Ammo pack?

Support KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
LMG-36 Machine Gun
Grenades

Engineer KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
HK SL8 Rifle
Grenades
AT Mine
Wrench

Engineer KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
G36K Assault Rifle
Grenades
AT Mine
Wrench

Medic KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
G36K Assault Rifle
Grenades
Medpack
Defibrillator?

Medic KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
G3A3 Assault Rifle
Medpack
Defibrillator?

Anti-Tank KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
MP7 PDW
Panzerschreck-3

Anti-Tank KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
Milan or Javelin equivalent

[-=AMI=- Drenelin]

I think the sniper variants (if PoE decides to go that route and have options for each class) should consist of one bolt action and one DMR in each of the two class-kits. The M107 should remain a pickup kit (if it is in the mod at all).

[Furiou$ Mental]

The Javelin needs an auxiliary weapon. If you just make it only able to lock on to armoured vehicles (which ought to have IR counter masures anyway) and give it a minimum range it's fine to also give the dude an SMG. Just take away his body armour. Then he can only shoot tanks at long range while the Predator is used up close (i.e. inside bases, cities, whatev).

As far as German Javelin equivalents go the closest thing is the Eurospike, which is made by a German company but it isn't actually used by the German military. Who knows though, they might use it at some point in the future.

This post has been edited by Furiou$ Mental: 06 November 2005 - 01:27 AM

[TheRingmaster]

i don't know about you guys, but I seriously think that the PoE devs have a basic idea of what kits will have what, it's not like they just start moddeling randomly and then decide that it's going to be in the mod...

[HyperSonicGT-R]

Yes, but maybe if the public desires it a certain way, they will make it like that? A basic idea isn't set in stone.

[Munchies]

Javelin is a must! this is how the javelin should be implented imo :

No fire on the move, 3 missiles (1+2 in the back), SMG (better than BF2 :/ ).

Bring scope up, hud mode with boxes and lock on, when fired it shoots up dumbfire like a mortar for a few secs then flies at the tank from above, realism + arming distance + cool effects in one thing.

Damage : hit from above = explode, hit at the back = explode hit on front = 75% dmg.

This post has been edited by Munchies: 06 November 2005 - 12:30 PM

[Recon_Team]

American special forces Kit:

Knife
SCAR L or SCAR H assault rifle or MP5 SMG.
MK23 .45 pistol

American sniper Kit:

Knife
M24 or M82 sniper rifle
MK23 .45 pistol
Hand grenades
claymores

American assault Kit:

Knife
M16A4 with aimpoint or M16A4 with M203
M9 Beretta
Hand grenades (if you don't have the M203)
Smoke grenade

American medic Kit:

Knife
M16A4 assault rifle
M9 Beretta
Hand grenades
Medic supplies

American support kit:

Knife
M249 or M240 machine gun
M9 Beretta
Hand grenades or claymores
Extra ammo

American engineer kit:

Knife
M11-87 shotgun or M4 carbine
M9 Beretta
Hand grenades
Engineer supplies

American anti-tank kit:

Knife
M4 carbine
M9 Beretta
Land Mines
AT4, SMAW, or Javelin

[TheRingmaster]

Munchies, on Nov 6 2005, 12:29 PM, said:

SMG

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
unless it's a pick-up kit...

[Furiou$ Mental]

The guy needs a gun, and not just a pistol.

[TheRingmaster]

he didn't need a gun in PoE:1, why should he need one in PoE:2?
And the AT class in PoE:2 will probably have better weapons than the PoE:1 AT class
you guys are all just too used to BF2.

[Furiou$ Mental]

True, but the reason he didn't need a gun is that he could shoot rockets at people and count on the splash damage to kill people. The Javelin, like all anti-tank weapons, is not meant for spamming at people in close combat. I think BF-2 got it right by making the missile ineffective against infantry and compensating the change by providing an OK sub machine gun. Amongst other things it means he's only able to defend himself reasonably close, whereas in POE BF:V if you went prone and tried to shoot an AT guy with a rocket he could often loose one off and kill you before you even got a chance to hit him, even at quite long ranges. And at close ranges it was even worse because he would just shoot one at your feet or at a wall and you'd be dead even faster. At least in BF-2 if you've got the rifle the odds favour you.

This post has been edited by Furiou$ Mental: 07 November 2005 - 09:59 AM

[667NeighbourOfTheBeast]

HyperSonicGTX, on Nov 5 2005, 10:54 PM, said:

Germany:

Special Forces KIT 2:
???

Maybe the second SF Kit could look like this:
Knife
USP Tactical .45 (silenced)
MP7 subsonic silenced [which is even quiter than the MP5SD, 110dbA compared to 115dbA]
Concussion Grenade / Sprenggranate DM51
C4 [maybe timed, and maybe he gets 1-2 packs more than kit1 to compensate the longrange capability]
SIMRAD

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Assault KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
G36K Assault Rifle
Grenades

I think the assault class represents the normal common grunt. So I don't think the assault class should get a G36k (unless it's airborne or mountain infantry).
Assault class should have a G36 or a G3 (for teh old skooll ) with or without GL, nothing else. Grenadelauncher for the G3 is the HK79, but this wasn't used by the Bundeswehr (but it was/is used in Norway, Sweden and Denmark i.e. >norwegian soldier with hk79).
A G3 with added HK79 is then designated 'G3-TGS' The G3 for airborne and mountain infantry was/is the G3A4 with retractable buttstock.

An alternative weapon for the rifle atached grenade launchers could be the Granatpistole or short "GraPi" [spelled 'Gruh-P']. It's still used a lot, even units that have AG36s for their G36s still use the GraPi. It isn't very heavy and with the shoulder stock retracted it's also quite small and compact and can easily be carried on the back. When you extend the shoulder stock you get a very accurate grenade launcher, that is easy to use and has ambidextrous controls.

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Sniper KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
MSG-90 Sniper Rifle
Grenades
Claymores

Sniper KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
PSG-1 Sniper Rifle
Grenades
Claymores

Neither the MSG90 nor the PSG1 are standard issue for german army soldiers. The MSG90 at least is said to be used by some Bundeswehr snipers. But the PSG1 surely isn't used by them. It's a police sniper rifle (so it's more tailord towards police snipers), and it's heavier and more expensive than a MSG90.
Also it would be pointless to make to sniper kits with 2 semi auto sniper G3-derivates, instead of making at least one kit with a standard issue sniper rifle (which would be the G22 [.300 Win Mag/7.62mmx66.5] and the G82 [.50 BMG/12,7mmx99].
And I agree with -=AMI=- Drenelin, to make one kit with a DMR/semi auto SR and one kit with a bolt action. I don't know if there will be a third kit or something like that. So the large bore rifles/AM-Rifles should be a pick up kit or maybe a restricted spawn kit (only 1-3 per team) or even a 3rd regular spawn kit.

So I'd say, the second german sniper kit should look like this:
Knife
P8 or USP SD [9mm silenced]
G22 [there also is a silencer available for this: picture picture2]
Grenades
Claymores

+ Sniper Kit3 (pickup or spawn, as mentioned above), with a G82 instead of the G22

Another version I'd like would be standard issue kits 1 and 2 and maybe KSK kits. Standard issue kits would be G22+P8 and G82+P8.
The KSK kits then would be something like MSG90 + USP Tactical .45. Or silenced G22 + USP SD. Or maybe an Accuracy Intarnational AW50. They could look like these guys: KSK snipers with G22 rifles. Also I've heard, that KSK snipers often use a MK23 as their sidearm.

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Support KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
LMG-36 Machine Gun
Grenades

I think the MG4 should be used instead. The LMG36 wasn't really meant to be used as a machine gun. It's more a "heavy assault rifle". So it would be false in this role.
However the MG4 is a true LMG or 'SAW'. It is belt fed and has a quick barrel change ability. (And it looks nice )

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Engineer KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
HK SL8 Rifle
Grenades
AT Mine
Wrench

I'm absolutely not cool with this. The SL8 is a civil sporting rifle derivate of the G36. Therfore it has no advantages to the G36 (except the wee bit longer barrel, ~3cm) and will never be used by the Bundeswehr. I think absolutely no sane military would choose a SL8 instead of a G36.
I've read about the SL9, which is a further developed SL8. But I think this is only a testbed for the new 7.62x37 subsonic ammo. And if HK will take it into series production for military & law-enforcement market, they most propably will overhaul the design for military needs (i.e. foldable buttstock, pistol grip, ability to accept 20 or 30 rd mags).

Maybe he should get a MP2 instead. Or a G3A4, or a MP7, or a P8 + GraPi.

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Anti-Tank KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
MP7 PDW
Panzerschreck-3

It's Panzerfaust 3

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Anti-Tank KIT 2:
Knife
HK P8
Milan or Javelin equivalent

I think he should get a MP7 instead of a P8. A Milan or Javelin won't help him much against infantry, so he should get something better than only a pistol. Maybe he should even get the same side arms like Kit 1 but only 2 missiles.
And as Furiou$ said, the Bundeswehr currently has no Javelin equivalent.

[Recon_Team]

I really believe that the AT kits in this game need guns because we all know that you can instantly bail out of a tank and you need something to finish them off. I suggest the basic M4A1 carbine or if that is too strong a MP5.

[TheRingmaster]

Furiou$ Mental, on Nov 7 2005, 09:53 AM, said:

True, but the reason he didn't need a gun is that he could shoot rockets at people and count on the splash damage to kill people. The Javelin, like all anti-tank weapons, is not meant for spamming at people in close combat. I think BF-2 got it right by making the missile ineffective against infantry and compensating the change by providing an OK sub machine gun. Amongst other things it means he's only able to defend himself reasonably close, whereas in POE BF:V if you went prone and tried to shoot an AT guy with a rocket he could often loose one off and kill you before you even got a chance to hit him, even at quite long ranges. And at close ranges it was even worse because he would just shoot one at your feet or at a wall and you'd be dead even faster. At least in BF-2 if you've got the rifle the odds favour you.

the SMGs in BF2 are incredibly unrealisticaly innacurate and underpowered, and i personally do not want to see PoE with extremely unrealisticaly nerfed guns.

[Furiou$ Mental]

Well it's arguably still more realistic than using the RPG-22 in close combat, which I think is really the only alternative.

This post has been edited by Furiou$ Mental: 07 November 2005 - 08:56 PM

[TheRingmaster]

When did teamwork stop being an alternative?

[TWFox]

bloody ######, i love this mod, but do you guys realise you have Hypersonic GTX 557 posts in 23 days (>24 a day), ringmaster 359 in 23 days(>15 a day). guysssss chill.

some above are nice suggestions, but its always being talked about

well im copying your suggestions above and changing what i dissagree with.

United States of America:

Special Ops/Special Forces KIT 1:
Knife
Mk.23 SOCOM
HK416 CQB with ADOG sight
Hand Grenades
smokes
Composite-4 Explosives (C4)x5

Special Ops/Special Forces KIT 2:
Knife
Mk.23 SOCOM/MEU SOC pistol for marines
FN SCAR-H with small zoom scope.
Hand Grenades
Composite-4 Explosivesx3
SIMRAD

Sniper KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9 for army/MEU SOC pistol for marines
M24A2 Sniper Rifle for Army, M40A3 for USMC
Grenades
Claymore

Sniper KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9 army/ MEU SOC for marines
M82A3 Sniper Rifle for USMC, M107 Sniper Rifle for Army
Grenades
Claymore

Assault KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
M16A4 Assault Rifle for USMC, M8/HK16 for Army
M203 Grenade Launcher for USMC, AG36/AGC Grenade Launcher for Army

Assault KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
FN SCAR-L for USMC, HK 416 Assault Rifle for Army
Grenades
smokes

Support KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9 for army, MEU SOC pistol for marines
M240G Machine Gun for USMC, M249 SAW for Army
Grenades
Ammo Pack?

Support KIT 2:
same as above plus smokes
Smokes

Engineer KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9
Benelli M1014 for USMC, AA-12 Shotgun for Army
Grenades
AT Mines
Wrench
Some sort of timebomb like BFV

Engineer KIT 2:
Knife
Beretta M9
HK MP5A4 for USMC, M8 PDW for Army
Grenades
AT Mines
Wrench


Anti-Tank KIT 1:
Knife
Beretta M9/MEU SOC pistol
HK416K shorty
Predator SRAW


MED SOC pistol
http://en.wikipedia....OC%29_M1911.JPG
mainly meant to be a spec ops weapon, but i think it would be nice to see a little more variety than the M9 everywhere!


Germany:

Special Forces KIT 1:
Knife
HK MK23 (silenced)
G36C-S
Grenades
Composite-4 Explosives x3
SIMRAD

Special Forces KIT 2:
Knife
HK MK23 (silenced)
G36C (CQB aimed reflex site
Grenades
smokes
Composite-4 Explosives x5

Sniper kits add Walther P99 military, not actually in use, but apparantley a very good weapon and poe resides in an alternative reality

Assault KIT's add smokes to the kit that doesn't have the nade launcher

Support KIT's add smokes to both

Engineer KIT 1:
Knife
HK P8
HK SL8 Rifle with low mag zoom (equal to SOCOM II) slightly more power than standard 36's
add smokes to both engy kits and add timebombs to the one with the more CQB aimed weapon

add nades to medic kits

Anti-Tank KIT 2:
Knife
G36C or some pimped MP5 variant
Milan

for ukrain
i cant be bothered i'll think it through and get the time to put it too u later