[Some Guy]

well yeah but like what units.

[dandy]

Denver3000, on Mar 17 2006, 09:39 PM, said:

Sweden used to use the G3 (AK4 is the Swedish name for it), and might still use it to a certain degree. They have however converted lately to the AK5, which is a FN FNC.
Yeah, cause it was getting to old. Still; it's a great rifle!

And yeah, the collapsible stock is a bit awkward, just like the one on the MP5 (a bit worse actually, because of the way the shoulder piece is shaped OUTWARDS,,,)
It IS uncomfy, but not painful. And, the fixed stock is great!;-)

However; the MSG90 is going to be ingame, and that's enough for me, really.. but it would be nice=)

Correktly, but the G3 is fully in use, The AK5 is cheeper to produce, but it fires 5.56, and can't deliver that punch, like a G3. The Swedish National Guard is using the G3 (AK4). And other units aswell. But, the AK5 is comming more and more, and most units, are armed whit AK5

[Avtomat]

dandy, on Mar 18 2006, 04:57 PM, said:

Correktly, but the G3 is fully in use, The AK5 is cheeper to produce, but it fires 5.56, and can't deliver that punch, like a G3. The Swedish National Guard is using the G3 (AK4). And other units aswell. But, the AK5 is comming more and more, and most units, are armed whit AK5

You mean the FNC...

[Denver3000]

The basic FN FNC rifle was modified to suit Swedish requirements, the most notable changes being the omission of the 3-round burst mode of fire, an enlarged trigger guard, a thicker forend and improved, corrosion-resistant finish on all metallic parts.
FN FNC:


Bofors AK5:

[Avtomat]

Yeah a green FNC... big deal.

[ACH91332]

That FNC looks more like a M16/G3/SG550-552

This post has been edited by ACH91332: 19 March 2006 - 04:18 PM

[Atlanta7]

Perhaps on specific maps the G3A4 could be added as a finders kit, or a spec ops kit. All though I would really like it if PoE had alternate kits more than ever. Like the ability to choose between a G3A3 and G36 for an assault weapon. I think the concept being, is giving the players an option to choose between a 7.62 and 5.56 firearm. With the United States it could be the option between the M4A1 and FN SCAR-H for the spec ops class. However I don't know too many 7.62 weapons for the U.S that the assault class could possibly use. With that said I think its best if we stick the concept in the spec ops area.

This post has been edited by Atlanta7: 18 March 2006 - 04:31 PM

[ACH91332]

The SCAR-H is one. It is 7.62mm. Specs would probably use the 5.56mm SCAR-L.

[TheRingmaster]

G36E is export, G36 is the regular rifle variant used by the german military.
US could possibly use the HK417 as a 7.62mm weapon for the assault class.
Just clearing things up. About the G3, it's up to the devs wheither or not to include it.

[Atlanta7]

Ahhh, the HK417 would be suitable. I actually found a picture of it.

[ACH91332]

Yeah, but it has only been recently introduced and I dunno whether the US uses it all if any. I know Germany doesn't. Besides, all it is is a H&K rip off of the Colt M4.

[Krazny]

Ok.

1.) No US unit has used a G3 as an issued weapon. They probably had Chopmod M-14s, or SR-25s. Not G3's.

2.) The AK-5 is a modded FN FNC. The FNFNC was the gun used by Al Pachino in the movie "Heat."

3.) The US is about as likely to issue the HK M-417 as I am to have relations with Anna Kornikova.

4.) I'd rather see a HK51 or a Vollmer 51B for a pickup kit.

ACH91332, on Mar 18 2006, 04:43 PM, said:

Yeah, but it has only been recently introduced and I dunno whether the US uses it all if any. I know Germany doesn't. Besides, all it is is a H&K rip off of the Colt M4.

Not really.

Its a gas piston M-4. Uses 95% of standard M-16/M-4 parts, yet gives the weapon AK like reliability.

[ACH91332]

I am almost positive I've seen in war footage the G3A4 for the US.

PS: What th ehell does a hot tennis player like Anna Kornikova have anything to do with this thread, PoE, or anything else on this website. Now I can tell you know nothing of what you're talking about.

This post has been edited by ACH91332: 19 March 2006 - 04:19 PM

[Krazny]

ACH91332, on Mar 18 2006, 09:23 PM, said:

You can't tell me what my experience was in the US Armed Forces. You do not know my experiences as a US soldier. You can't tell me what my buddies did and didn't use for a primary weapon. (G3) What, do you think I make this up? And it is to big of a statment to say "No US unit has used a G3 as an issued weapon" when you don't know that.

When I was in Grenada, half my damn unit used G3A3s and untill last, year when I was "honorably" discharged, the US Military used the G3A4.

Ahem.

Perhaps I should have written it differently.

Federal law requires that any weapon issued to the conventional US military must be manufactured in the US, and the G3s were mostly made in Germany, with some being made in various other nations.

If these weapons were aquired unofficially, or if you were part of a special forces unit, it is possible they were G3s. The records I have access to indicate several members of US SEAL teams aquired accurized G3 rifles for sniping. And the Go fast guys always seem to have a large stash of 'unofficial' weapons to choose from. . . .

Not saying that you are making anything up, but the US have never officially issued the G3 in any quantity to anyone.

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PS: What th ehell does a hot tennis player like Anna Kornikova have anything to do with this thread, PoE, or anything else on this website. Now I can tell you know nothing of what you're talking about.

Well, lets see. . .

Apparently you fail to see the humor in the Kornikova bit. The chances of the HK M-417 getting adopted are pretty much nonexistent. Why? Well, FN already won the SCAR competetion, the .mil is looking for a rifle in 5.56 or 6.X for its next issue weapon, and there is no way a weapon that shares virtually no parts with anything in service is going to be adopted. Anyone requiring a 7.62x51 rifle will most likely recieve an M-14, or a SCAR-H.

Where the tennis star came in was because I needed an event that has pretty much no chance of happening. Like 1 in 10^8. And thus I made the crack about me having relations with the lovely Ms. Kornikova.
While it is possible the US .mil MAY adopt the M-417, it is extremely UNLIKELY.

This post has been edited by Krazny: 18 March 2006 - 10:21 PM

[ACH91332]

I'm still certain I saw it in war footage.

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[Airborne]

ACH91332, on Mar 18 2006, 09:32 PM, said:

Yeah I got your joke after I was an ass, but I wasn't in any Spec Ops except night recon. I was a basic Medic in the core and had a bunch of buds with G3s and the rest M16s except a few Medics like me who had M4s or M15s.

Then that means your a navy corpsman as the USMC dose not have thier own medic. And as I am a retired E-7 US Army Airborne Infantry Ranger, your full of ****. Not any us military unit has used the G3.

Have a nice day

AB

[Condition_Red]

ACH either you're active or you're not. I am. You're not. Hathcock was. Airborne was. Many other people were. You are not and most likely will not be. Listen to the people who know what they are talking about. You're also the one who said that you owned a G36K. Heckler and Kosch does NOT sell any of their G-36 series to civillians. Don't lie, it gets you into piles of **** with the people who know what they're talking about.

This post has been edited by Condition_Red: 18 March 2006 - 11:36 PM

[Krazny]

Condition_Red, on Mar 18 2006, 11:34 PM, said:

ACH either you're active or you're not. I am. You're not. Hathcock was. Airborne was. Many other people were. You are not and most likely will not be. Listen to the people who know what they are talking about. You're also the one who said that you owned a G36K. Heckler and Kosch does NOT sell any of their G-36 series to civillians. Don't lie, it gets you into piles of **** with the people who know what they're talking about.

Listen to him. And me. And AB. And a lot of other guys here on the forum. We know what we are talking about man.

[Avtomat]

i'm just an innocent bystander..

[frupert the nude apricot]

irk. G3a4 is just a g3a3 w/an adjustable stock. it still fires the uncomfortable and difficult to control in auto 7.62 NATO, wereas the FN SCAR can be reconfigured to take many type sof shells, and comes with integral rails and such.


also the US never ever used the G3 that im aware of. MP5's, yes, MK 23's, yes, but no G3's, but we had the m14 slinging the same round


also i know HK sells some of their SL series to civys, and those things are fairly close to G36's.

maybe he was thinking ofthe G36 export version?

This post has been edited by frupert the nude apricot: 19 March 2006 - 12:48 AM